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TB Joshua’s deliverances, the Uncut Truth

 Al-right then, go and disgrace yourself if you like, but don’t say I didn’t warn you; I repeat for the last time, don’t go to synagogue, forget TB Joshua’s emmanuel TV I tell you, no, we tell you (cos we’re many) and to hell with those wise men, don’t you have eyes? – don’t you see they have no respect for people at all?, can’t you see how they show off those they deliver there when they disgrace and embarrass themselves after they are touched? They start saying they’re fish, snake and other unclean animals? Is that what you want to happen to you? Remember you’re a popular person, and even a very notable person, the head of a company for Christ’s sake, people will easily recognise you, your employees will definitely make a mockery of you and enjoy a spectacular show of your deliverance….” the voice continued in his heart as he watched a wicked spiritual wife manifesting through the body of a man on emmanuel TV;  the same affliction he secretly suffered, night after night, a strange woman kept having carnal knowledge of him in his dreams and as a result nothing good in his life remained, his marriage was on the verge of collapse as there was no longer any affection between him and his wife as it used to be, even as a company’s chairman, he was always in debt  and help was not forthcoming, yet after this silent voice whispered of “shame” to his heart, he succumbed and remained in his place, refusing to go there for deliverance, though knowing he needed it, still wouldn’t seek it there but continued in vain praying secretly in his closet, refusing to visit the SCOAN, For the Right Hand of God that would have disconnected him from the spiritual wife in a touch and restore him to the original position he was created. With this same voice Satan has stopped many many busy elites of this generation from going to SCOAN for their deliverance, and this voice just got the back up of scripture (so it seems) of recent on TB Joshua watch.

To them at TB Joshuawatch, quoting Mark 5:1-20, alongside Mark 9: 14- 29 and using two exorcisms performed by Jesus as case study in comparison to TB Joshua’s, They stated that the crowds in Jesus case witnessed the change in the demoniac man, but were not permitted to see the deliverance itself. Oh Really?  We didn’t think they were serious till they went on again, this time quoting Mark 9: 14- 29 and explaining thus; …”When Jesus notices a crowd running to the scene, he so quickly and instantly rebukes the demon and sets the boy free… Again, Jesus is careful not to make a spectacle of this poor boy’s condition. Are these guys serious with this? OK, let’s ask you a question, TB Joshuawatch, if you care to answer FROM THE SAME TEXT YOU QUOTED;

Do you know what results when “a CROWD RUSHES to a scene? The NKJV puts the same scripture it in a better rendering, “When Jesus saw that PEOPLE CAME RUNNING TOGETHER he rebuked the evil spirit. Mark 9:25.

Do you know what results when A CROWD STARTS RUNNING AND RUSHING TOGETHER TO A SPOT?

Well if you don’t have the logic to figure it (obviously), we’ll give you the answer, and from the scripture too as added bonus;

“…an innumerable multitude of people had gathered together, so THAT THEY TRAMPLED ONE ANOTHER” Luke 12:1.

This was clearly what Jesus was trying to prevent. Thus, this text along with the others they quoted shows that Jesus quick deliverance of the boy in question had NOTHING to do with “NOT allowing the crowd to witness it”.

When he left the scene in MATT 7:18, was there also a demoniac in question whose SUPPOSED dignity he wanted to preserve? Matthew 7: 18 “..and when Jesus saw GREAT MULTITUDES about him, He gave command to DEPART to the other side”.

All these texts prove that Jesus was simply facing the problem of “CROWD CONTROL” because as it were, PEOPLE were already VERY MANY at the scene and more crowds than he could handle RUSHING to the scene could result in casualties of which he could even be one being the one being thronged from every side. “…as Jesus was on his way, the CROWDS ALMOST CRUSHED HIM”. LUKE 8:42.  And this may have been the case if he hadn’t sped up the deliverance process of the boy, while at other times he managed to stay safe in a boat on the sea while the MULTITUDES stood on the shore (better CROWD CONTROL) Matt 13:1-2.

Crowd Control has always been a major problem for the worlds greatest legends when in contact with the public. The case of Jesus was no different.
photo credit: (vkontakte.dj)

If Jesus didn’t want the MULTITUDE to witness his spectacular deliverance’s, he would have just sent them away as he did on many occasions, for example, here “…then Jesus SENT the MULTITUDE away and went into the house”, Matt 13: 36, or here “…while HE SENT the MULTITUDE AWAY”  MATT 14: 22… And so on.

We would’ve thought such a gross misrepresentation of scripture as a mere faulty logic on their part, but its clearly demonic in its capacity to mislead, don’t be deceived, the ideology of scriptural deliverance done discreetly or privately falls nothing short of the doctrine of demons – as it is a doctrine that allows for the proverbial placing of a light under a basket that none may see it. You who know you need deliverance today, wasn’t it other people’s case you witnessed to come to that realization?, or at least made your conviction of your need stronger? Why then should others not come to the same realization through your case? The church is instructed not to show favouritism  whoever you may be, whether a king, president or a poor man.  If Jesus subscribed to the ideology of not allowing the crowds to witness his deliverances why did he KEEP DOING THEM BEFORE MULTITUDES?

Luke 11: 14 and as he was casting out a demon, it was mute. So it was when the demon had gone out, the mute spoke and the MULTITUDES marvelled   Jesus did this deliverance before a multitude, if he really didn’t want to display it, Why BEFORE A MULTITUDE?, so much so that in the later part a voice was heard from the CROWD Luke 11: 27. “Luke 12: 17… And all the MULTITUDES rejoiced for the glorious things that were done by him. How could THE MULTITUDE rejoice if they NEVER witnessed for themselves? Although he had done so many signs BEFORE THEM, they did not believe… John 12: 36. Jesus himself said to then UNLESS YOU PEOPLE SEE… you would not believe.  Note that all emphasis is on letting people, Multitudes and crowds see that what he’s doing is done through God.

Secondly, That the people inevitably embarrass themselves on TV, much to the delight of the audience who are not sure whether to be amused or disgusted is blatantly untrue.

If there’s anything to be expected from the audience in the synagogue, its happiness for those who are being delivered, and soberness for themselves if they haven’t gone through the same, especially when they know they suffer the same calamities the person in question (being delivered) suffered. Even to strengthen their soberness are TB Joshua’s constant words; that everyone needs deliverance, and everyone (except those who aren’t tired of their problems yet) wishes now to be delivered in the same manner. You should see the way they all clamour for the same touch, continually visiting till they go through the same deliverance experience that would prove their redemption a fact, and reality.

Finally, Referring to Emmanuel tv that it turns sick individuals into mini internet sensations after being delivered in an undignified way, having a youtube video put out about their addiction to sniffing faeces, eating foam matresses, bedwetting or drinking kerosene might be a crude way of putting it but Yes! So be it. LET THE WORLD SEE, HEAR AND REJOICE, rejoice for the glorious things that are done by him. Luke 12:17.  No one lights a candle and puts it under a basket but on a lamp stand and it gives light to all in the house. Luke 5:15.  TB Joshua is the light of today’s world and emmanuel TV is the lamp stand and gives that light to all the inhabitants of the earth. Let it remain so LORD. Amen!

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29 thoughts on “TB Joshua’s deliverances, the Uncut Truth”

  1. I somehow disagree over the address this blog claim. I am logically reasoning this is a site connected very well to scoan. We need to have a clear conscience over any situation as a christian.

  2. At Author. Your defence interests me along with the biblical proves you put forward. Who can disprove this? No one.
    And the only route they could cut out was the tactically saying that the deliverances are fake and a Hollywood or Bollwood scene. Now, where does this come from? From what light is this is this scenario being put forward? That a man who eats his faeces and drinks his urine ought to have deseases.
    When will it take you to realise Jesse that adiction comes with a spirit that makes it look as if the right thing is being done. For How long shall i keep proving to you that things of the spirit are very different from the physical?

    I lived with a person who drinks kerosene and cement, but nothing actually happened to her. Though she experienced alittle physical abnomality but she still looked normal as a human. Thanks to Scoan and T.b. Joshua She’s delivered now and have nothing to do with any addiction again. Why didn’t she die while still in the act?
    Jesse, Consider yourself lucky that you have never encountered such situation, If not i seriously do not see you emanating such unexperienced hypothesis. Since you choose to remain the Thomas of this generation, i would advice you write to the Church for a personal interview with these people so you’ll see, hear and be converted. Unless you see you will not believe. But the problem now is that you don’t even want to see the truth. What should we call this?

    Secondly, i read the complains your co-comenters left on the tb joshua watch blog about the time it takes to deliver people.

    Jesus or the Bible never gave any specification of the minutes or hours it should take to be delivered. For we have seen churches who conduct two week or even a month deliverance for a single person and some aren’t even successful, but here is a ministry that uses just 15 or maximum of 20 minutes and you are completely free.
    God does as He wills. we do not have the effrontery to Question the actions of God or His servants. One thing that comes to mind is, confession makes deliverance possible. Hence Jesus saw the need to ask people he delivers and heals some key questions. After confession, deliverance comes with ease. And This will aslo serve as a ground for learning by God’s people.

    Though the Bible makes us understand that what people don’t understand they criticize and call names but yours is getting out of control. And i have A word for you Jesse; YOU WHO CONDEMN AND CRITICIZE TODAY, WILL BECOME LIKE SAUL WHO LATER BECAME PAUL. AND THEN, GOD WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU MUST SUFFER AND WRITE ARTICLES FOR THE DEFENCE OF GOD’S PROPHET!

  3. @ Doi,

    It is written, you wack: this how true faith works which is the driven force behind my life: Hebrews 11:32-40
    And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
    39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

    You call that a word ? I call that wordcurse and you call yourself a Christian a follower of Jesus ! Wanting something bad coming over me ? You never heard and read about this do you ? What demon did whisper this in your head ! It was not the Holy Spirit, certainly not.

    Luke 6:28
    28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

    Did you do that ? No, you fake Christian. Go and repent before this returns to your own bosom.

  4. @ Doi,

    “Jesus or the Bible never gave any specification of the minutes or hours it should take to be delivered. For we have seen churches who conduct two week or even a month deliverance for a single person and some aren’t even successful, but here is a ministry that uses just 15 or maximum of 20 minutes and you are completely free.”

    Sorry, I am convinced that it was instantly, because Jesus is greater than any demon or Satan.

  5. @Doi,

    “Though the Bible makes us understand that what people don’t understand they criticize and call names but yours is getting out of control”

    You call it criticism, I call it discernment and investigation to the core of it and I test the spirits whether they are out of God. I have a God given right for it. If it was up to you, you would deny me this.

    Hebrews 5:12-14
    For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    Whenever you have passed this test, come back here and refute me. I am more than a conqueror. Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world. Which is you and T. B. Joshua and all of his deceived followers or anyone else that does not have God’s Holy Spirit.

  6. WHAT A THOROUGHLY PACKAGED WRITE-UP ! BUT ONE POINT REMAINS CLEAR-IRRESPECTIVE OF OBVIOUS BIBLICAL LINKS WITH THE STYLE OF SCOAN IN CASTING OUT DEMONS/SATAN FROM WITHIN THE CAPSULES OF INDIVIDUALS, CRITICS PURELY OUT OF ENVY WILL CONTINUE TO WHITE-WASH ANYTHING *SCOAN.*

  7. Jesse,
    Stop bringing something out of nothing. We all know Jesus didn’t say there should be a time limit to every deliverance. Where is it in the Bible that it’s a sin to use 10 to 15min?
    I’ll rather not talk on this unless you have biblical proves to dispute my point.
    And I do not see any curse whatsoever.
    Meanwhile i would be very glad if you always go straight to the point and leave out the unnecessary prolonged comments.

  8. @ eromo

    Proof me that any amount of demons were there in the first place and have left and not first shoved in them and then taken out again as in shamanism, voodoo, and other esoteric possibilities. Or even astral projected their own spirits and entered in other people’s bodies. I don’t believe any demon is speaking the truth, they are all liars, including many people themselves.

  9. @ Doi,

    I am not capable bringing out something of nothing, only God has that capability. And here you go again with putting up a question about how long a deliverance takes place. When Jesus spoke a word every demon reacted within seconds and I believe in 1 minute it was all over. Except the two men of the Gerasenes. It’s not the standard for any deliverance. How long does cast a ball/stone/paper-plane take ? 15-20 minutes ? Or 40 minutes of downright stupid “interrogation” of demon possessed man, woman or child in SCOAN videos. That’s the problem I have with that in SCOAN it is prolonged for the sake of sensation, stampede, attracting other people who think they are possessed by demons, including the devil himself, have so to speak no answer to their problems while everyone has unsolved problems, usually have no money and blame the devil for it, must come to SCOAN to have their problems resolved, while others who are possessed by the devil are filthy rich, live a grand life and have huge families, expanding the church on the base of these sensational infested with 192 demons possessed people, so called prophetic utterances that are 95% negative in content and have no use for the local church goer than being baffled about it what happens in the US, Russia, England, Antartica, the planet Mercury, Japan, and nothing is done about whatsoever than a few minutes of screaming prayers. Etc. etc. you should change the name to Sensationalist Church of all Nations.

  10. @Jesse.
    “You call it criticism, I
    call it discernment and
    investigation to the
    core of it and I test
    the spirits whether
    they are out of God. I
    have a God given right
    for it. If it was up to
    you, you would deny
    me this.”

    Yes the bible says test every spirit. 1john 4:1. But i want to believe you didn’t see the recognizing factor on how you could identify the spirit of God. 1 John 4:2.” and this is how you can recognize the spirit of God; every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus has come in flesh is from God. But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus, is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world”

    Here is T.b. Joshua who always acknowledge Jesus as the saviour, messiah and redeemer. Where on earth did you get your discernment? Oh Yes! Jesus said on the last days many will say i did mighty miracles in your name and i’ll say, i know you not. But are you trying to insinuate that any prophet who does mighty miracles is not from God? Please tell me, if a Prophet like T.b Joshua is not from God then for goodness sake! Show me that which is from God! Can the devil be greater than God?
    This is the common problem both you and your colleague at T.b.Joshuawatch have today. You try to block a way but cannot refer others to a better direction. Yes i know we must look unto Jesus but Jesus wouldn’t come down and heal/save and deliver us, he uses His prophet expecially when we do not have enough faith to release the power bestowed on us by Him.

    In the year 1996/1997, a journalist in Nigeria whose name i wouldn’t mention, heard different rumors about T.b. Joshua and was happy publishing it and writing more negative articles about The prophet. Until a faithful day when he decided to visit the church and see for Himself if all he was publishing were actually true. He got to the church and sat at the front roll. In His Presence he saw the blind receiving their sight at the mention of the name Jesus, he saw the lame working and the captives delivered etc. He was convinced beyound all reasonable doubt that God actually sent T.b. Joshua. When he eventually went back, he wrote like he was being paid by T.b. Joshua about what he had seen and witnessed in Scoan.

    Here i see the need to advice you Jesse, like Gamaliel adviced the men of Israel in Act 5:38. Leave T.b. Joshua alone! For if His purpose or activities are of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you’ll not be able to stop Him. You will only find yourself fighting against God.

  11. Jesse. When will you ever give a straight forward answer? The question is; is it a sin to deliver people in 15min? Yes or No. If yes give me the bible reference where Jesus considered it as abomination. Simple.

  12. @ Doi,

    Again you want me to show what is from God, how many things have I posted now, whether in videos or in writing ? Perhaps you need to go back and read again and watch again. Or you can pray if God will help you to remember what I wrote, don’t behave like the man who looks in a mirror and when he goes away he forgot how he looked like.

    I can perceive that you will write about TB Joshua no matter what is thrown at you. Even if it is evidence to investigate you just don’t do it and ignore it.

    Why do you keep hammering that we don’t have enough faith, why does it say you only NEED a Mustard seed amount to move mountains and yet you say we need someone else to increase in faith, where is that written in the Bible ?

    Another thing is what you write is about releasing more power with the help of someone. Are you telling me display of power is now the evidence of God doing something ?

    The last paragraph has been addressed by numerous people to that this not true. Example, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, practicing Chi-Gong, and numerous other false prophets, pastors still continue to for centuries of what they are doing. You keep disagreeing about that by throwing this verse towards anyone who doubts TB Joshua.

    Fighting against God ? So TB Joshua is God now ? Again you have been addressed with that numerous times by others, yet you like or love to go round in circles about it by giving the same answers over and over again. Are you a robot or can you say something else as well.

  13. @ Doi,

    Yes, Doi, I believe it is a sin to make a show of a deliverance on camera for more than 15 minutes.

    The fact that in the earliest days of the church Christians were being warned about men within the church who would claim the leading or the prompting of the Holy Spirit to ask for money, is a very good indication that this was not an uncommon occurrence.

    . Unlike the God of the Bible, who has decreed whatsoever comes to pass (Eph. 1:11) and who does whatever pleases him (Ps. 115:3), the diminished God exists to do whatever pleases us. On call 24/7, he is there to attend to all our whims and respond to our constant whining. This God is not to be served and adored, rather, he is a means to an end. Like the genie freed from his bottle, this God is there to answer our prayers and give us what we wish. Aka any deliverance that takes place in SCOAN for the purpose of gain, money, expansion of the church, notoriety, promoting a human being TB Joshua or Wise men, making stampede, making sensation of deliverance at length and putting a camera on it as close as possible, being obsessed with the demonic close up, Yes a full yes this is sinful.

    Sometimes we use God quite intentionally; other times we do it without even knowing it. The bottom line is that we use God to suit our own ends because we live our lives through the distorted lens of human pride. Inevitably, we see our own interests and agendas as far more important than they really are. From this distorted perspective God exists to enable us to achieve that which we have decreed, that which pleases us-the complete reversal of the two biblical passages just cited. This, of course, is the height of human folly and the sad consequence of sinful pride.
    We can find almost every one of these “difficulties” somewhere in the contemporary church. There is a self-esteem gospel for those who are proud because they love themselves. There is a prosperity gospel for those who love money. There is a healing gospel for those not content to accept the will of God should he bring suffering into their lives. And those preaching these gospels seem to be doing quite well in difficult times, thank you. Preachers who seek to preach to the proud have an eager audience and can preach of a God who is there to meet all their needs.

    This is constantly being projected here on this website, other websites, and on the SCOAN Website that you must go there for any problem you have, they have a solution, sorry I am against it and it is not true either in its set up at all.

    FYI, God does things everywhere in the world there is no specific assigned for that. The opening of portals in the spiritual realm can be as demonic as well God coming through, the difference is the manifestation that will enter us in Everlasting life. Nothing of that is preached in SCOAN, everything is based on expressions of how great is TB Joshua. Worship of a human is not allowed by God, yet most will bow before him. Eh !

    If promising health and prosperity is an obvious (albeit tragic) way to turn God into a product to sell to eager consumers, selling salvation is surely the lowest form of the sinful attempt to use God for sinful ends. Promising health and wealth to desperate people is one thing. Promising to ensure the salvation of lost loved ones, or shortening their time in purgatory, is quite another.

    Thank you,

    1. Jesse, this is the singular problem i have with you. You are so unreasonable. Now you claim it’s a sin and the biblical proof you gave was;
      ”The fact that in the
      earliest days of the
      church Christians
      were being warned
      about men within the
      church who would
      claim the leading or
      the prompting of the
      Holy Spirit to ask for
      money, is a very good
      indication that this
      was not an
      uncommon
      occurrence.”
      i leave that for our readers to Judge.

      Secondly you are the one who quoted the bible in (Eph.
      1:11) ”and who does
      whatever pleases him”
      but you vehemently refused to admit that God does as He wills (whatever pleases Him) in The ministry of Scoan. The ways of God are mysterious and so is the way of His servants. Just Because you don’t understand Him does not mean He is of the devil. Remember no body understood christ. Thanks..

  14. @ Doi,

    It seems to be apparently that are forced to say that the ministry of SCOAN is initiated out of God. It’s like this when you are brainwashed, which I certainly believe you are, that you cannot say anything else than that. Or you are so caught up in your deception that you can’t help yourself.

    I understand very well what is going on, I was not born yesterday. I have explained it in many posts, you just don’t want to accept it. I do understand Jesus Christ and what most counts concerning that is the salvation of mankind. In the end that alone matters, not how many demons, marine spirits, river spirits, succubi, incubi, alligators, lion, snake spirits and ogbanjies one has shuffled around.

    Why can’t you agree about this. Tell me why this only happens in African churches and not in any other churches, yet other churches and church members prosper too, have a great life, wonderful families, happy children, good jobs and enough money. Are you saying they are also demon possessed and their pastors useless because they don’t do like SCOAN ?

    Have you ever read the end of 1 Corinthians 14 ? Why is their always, stampede, chaos, people jumping around at a flick of someone’s arm ? Why is that not necessary in other churches to have a good and great life. It’s like as if you don’t go through these freak shows, people cannot or or could not be normal.

    Millions if people live in big cities, small villages, in the country all over the world and they never have to show such crazy behaviour to BE FUNCTIONAL.

    Yet you are convinced the whole world needs to pass by TB Joshua to get what they are actually need ??? Just read it again for yourself and see how absurd this sounds and reads if that is your conviction.

    It is clear that all this is to lure confused, misled, word inept believers to Lagos to get the TB Joshua the once over. Nothing more, nothing less.

  15. This is the problem I have with you and other SCOAN followers. Facts that are written as absolute Truths is too hard to grasp and understand when you talk to a Scoanite. They are so caught up into whatever SCOAN and TB Joshua or Wise man does there is no room for any other absolute truth, which is sometimes called a universal truth and is an unalterable and permanent fact. The concept of absolute truths is what they are and whether they exist, has been debated among many different groups of people. Philosophers have waded in the muck of defining absolute truth for millennia. For example, Plato believed that absolute truth existed, but that truth on earth was merely a shadow of great forms of absolute truth existing in the universe. Alternatively, many believe in relative truths, where facts may vary depending on the circumstances. So many truths that you can’t see the trees through the forest. Ofcourse there is this TB Joshua “truth”, which you all run after as that only truth there is.

    It’s difficult to disprove the concept of absolute truth, since saying that there are no absolute truths and that it is absolutely true that no absolute truth exists and is itself an absolute truth. One can say, “From what I know, I believe there are no absolute truths.” Still, this is murky territory.

    There are a few things that we all agree are absolutely true, but they depend upon an agreement in definition. Take, for example, the case where a person has a cat in his house. Obviously, no one would agree, as an absolute truth, that this cat, “was the nicest cat in the world.” However, most people would agree, given evidence that at that specific point in time, that there was a cat in the house. Some might quibble over the fact that people might define “cat” differently; that is, some might not describe a lion in a house as “a cat in a house.”

    People often look to science and their religion to determine whether something constitutes an absolute truth, but science and tends to avoid absolutism. Even when scientists reasonably believe an explanation, it is often couched as theory or proofs. However, as we advance in science, we often find ourselves disproving proofs. Yet a great deal of proof on a subject makes it more likely, but does not make it absolute truth.

    In your case Doi you have made the belief what happens in SCOAN must be an act if God, but likely is not an absolute truth, because no matter what you still keep confessing that to yourself until you can’t say or see anything else anymore and that is a sad thing.

    Many religions “contain” absolute truths. For example, a Christian might say, “ I know Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. By following His teachings, I will live in heaven when I die.” To the Christian this may be an absolute truth. Imposing this statement on others is where this absolute truth, to the Christian, becomes debated. While many may agree that the Christian believes absolutely that Jesus is His Lord, they are unlikely to agree that Jesus is everyone’s Lord is an absolute truth. When a person’s absolute truth is extended to all others, it can be viewed as a philosophical statement of exclusion. Those who do not endorse the absolute truth of another are either pitied or attacked. This same could be applied to the TB Joshua “truth”.

    However, proper functioning societies and communities often rely on certain agreed-upon truths. For example, the world holds rape and murder as crimes and uses language to define rape and murder. Failure for a society to define such terms, and agree upon their definition results usually in chaos. This is what I see in SCOAN and it is clear that those who believe that this is God doing a mighty work there, it should be applied to the entire world as the only “absolute truth” concept.

    Thus while absolute truths may be hard to come by, and difficult to agree upon, some amount of truths are generally required for a properly functioning society. Whether these truths are absolute or universal is a matter that has been and will likely continue to be debated.

    Hence I disagree with you that SCOAN is the only place where God acts or does things. Because of the chaos, the incapability of spiritual discernment and craziness over there I reject this as a move of God over there and am convinced this is not Gods way of working as I know from what the Word of God is teaching.

    On the outside I can say for the observer it comes close to it, but no cigar, when it comes to the true moves of God which are Souvereign in its acts and are initiated through the Holy Spirit in His will. And they are taking place all over the world without any contribution of SCOAN. Just look around and ask God to show you. It is Not in some place that is seen as a holy Mecca where everyone has to go for pilgrimage, which each one of you all want us to believe.

    Thank you,

    1. @Jesse.
      “Why can’t you agree
      about this. Tell me
      why this only happens
      in African churches
      and not in any other
      churches, yet other
      churches and church
      members prosper too,
      have a great life,
      wonderful families,
      happy children, good
      jobs and enough
      money. Are you saying
      they are also demon
      possessed and their
      pastors useless
      because they don’t do
      like SCOAN ?”

      How possibly could you Jesse, talk of other Pastors and Churches in the world? Do you need me remind you that you once said there are no true prophet of God? and that no one should seek a prophet of God for their healings, blessings, deliverances etc, But should exercise the power given to them even when they do not have enough faith to release the power. This is the highest level of absurdity. Even people ran to Jesus when they realised their faith wasn’t enough. Mark 9:24.

      Now,instead of seeking God’s face in a living church when you do not have enough faith, you advice them to remain in their situation and suffer permanet pain if not death.
      So therefore before you continue talking about other prophets and pastors, you have to reshape your belief and advice towards others.

      To the best of my recall, i can’t remember I or any other scoan supporters saying all pastors are demon possessed and need to go to Scoan for deliverance.
      Even though a few number of them need deliverance, SCOAN is not the only Living Church in Nigeria or Africa. We definately have other prophet who are called by God. If we have more prophets of God i belive the kingdom work load will be abit less for T.b. Joshua.

      Here is another comment you posted.
      “Yet you are convinced
      the whole world
      needs to pass by TB
      Joshua to get what
      they are actually
      need ??? Just read it
      again for yourself and
      see how absurd this
      sounds and reads if
      that is your conviction.”

      i seriously can’t figure where you got that from. I have never shown such conviction.
      Even T.b. Joshua never believed in such methodology.

  16. @ Doi,

    I wrote to you about Hebrews 11 and you still forget about that post. Tell me what is a true prophet ? Who appoints them as prophet ? You forgot I wrote God does not drop Emails, Letters, Confirmations out of heaven. This is a prophet, that’s a pastor, those are apostles, these are shepherds, this is a evangelist. How many times does one have to tell you, those titles are man made. Even Paul does not like his title and rather presses on in his faith than show off with a title.

    Citation “To my best recall…” Do I remind you everything is geared upon demons in SCOAN. When you watch it close up or from afar, there is always someone on the floor, screaming, puking, coughing, wriggling, peeing, defecating, barking like a dog, hiss like a snake, contrary spirits go haywire, growl like a lion, coo like a dove, but you never hear a ostrich cry, an elephant spirit trumpeting, a whale spirit howling, a cocotoo spirit screech, or a chicken bawking, a cow spirit mooing ?

    Tell me where they wrote about all those spirits in the bible ? I wonder what fallen angels and demons did over the last millennia. Why nobody is writing about this than the African churches ? Does it mean white churches are too dumb ? Or are Africans go along as they see fit when somebody makes a certain sound it must be a snake spirit or a alligator spirit, and so forth.

    That’s where this website is based upon and many others. These websites are created to make notoriety about TB Joshua. I never heard about him than some years ago. It’s because I stumbled over the websites what introduced him to me.

    The same reason is also used to put those videos on YouTube. If there was no filming taking place in SCOAN. Hardly anyone would have heard of him anywhere outside Nigeria. Neither would have anyone bothered either.

    Where in the bible they had TV, yet Jesus and his 12 disciples, including the 70 and Paul, Barnabas, covered the whole of Israel, Asia, Galatia, Bythinia, Pontus, Antioch, Cyprus, Malta, Sicily, Italy, including Rome, Macedonia, Archaia, Capadocia, Byzantium and many more areas. After that it flooded over Europe and to the Americas. Without any film taken. Just by preaching and travelling.

    That was done by around a 100 persons in total and millions were evangelised without filming or YouTube. That’s what God does with His Spirit. No need of today’s technology. For me this is astounding, miraculous, unparalleled.

    Again I want to remind you, people need to go to Jesus and Jesus alone and it is clear TB Joshua is NOT Jesus. So why go, there is no such command in the bible, except

    James 5:14
    14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:……

    They came to listen to Paul who was personally called by Jesus and Peter who was named the Rock by Jesus.

    Do you see any other extensive ministry taking place with others ? No. Everyone is called a royal priesthood in the bible to be a light in the world, why go somewhere again to get more faith, while everyone is measured a measure of faith. Yes suffering is part of Gods plan.

    1 Peter 2:19-25
    For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

    Many people will not be healed, delivered, and more. Even pastors, prophets (Elisha), wives of pastors, shepherds, apostles, evangelists. People in hospitals, at home, and more. Yet you want to give them false hope that TBJoshua can twist Gods Hand so he can have a bigger church and fame ? About Who is it after all ?

  17. @ Doi,

    Explain to me this why are those demons so stupid to go to Lagos, Nigeria to be cast out ! You all really think they are that dumb ? They don’t look out of the eyes of the one who carries them, right. Why what they claim the demons can kill them, they don’t drop like flies while travelling or even entering into to SCOAN ? If the Holy Spirit is the One while present that casts them out, why they don’t manifest while checking in ?

    Oh wait it needs a pastor to do that. Why ? Why ? Why ? Oh wait Jesus is only there and then. Except He is sitting next to His Father. To me it comes over dispensing power whenever one likes to do this, this is not Biblical.

    I would love to see someone from SCOAN, TB Joshua, wiseman, evangelist go out of the protection of SCOAN walls or buildings and demonstrate a deliverance in a shopping mall or hospital while walking in Europe, US, South America, etc. Then we can see if God is with them. That’s how Jesus did it.

    I hope I will not have to hold my breath about that one.

  18. @Jesse.
    Now what theory are you putting forward? That God cannot make and unmake? And that what we must see happen, must, and should have happened in Jesus’ time?
    Why does this vague understanding dominates your heart and mind?
    Jesus Himself didn’t want us to stop at the level He operated if we truely believe In Him. Unless you want to refute that.
    John 14:12 ” i tell you the truth, he who has faith in me will do what i have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because i am going to the father. And i will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and i will do it”.
    Are you insinuating that if we ask Jesus for the name of the spirit expecially when we truely have faith in Him, He wouldn’t reveal them to us?

    The name of Most spirit Jesus rebucked and cast out was not mentioned. Not that it didn’t have a name. But because Jesus just didn’t want to mention. A similar example of a spirit who Jesus forced for his name was in Mark 5:6. ” when he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of Him. He shouted at the top of his voice, what do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won’t torture me! 8. For Jesus had said to him, come out of this man, you evil spirit. Then Jesus asked him. What is your name?
    My name is Legion, he replied, for we are many. And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.”

    Jesus didn’t always want to go deep into questioning the spirit He casts out for reasons I have earlier posted. Here is T.b. Joshua going deep in questioning for the understanding of all. And you call it unbiblical?
    Seeing A prophet who is God’s representative, bringing out such glaring knowledge shouldn’t make you suprise instead try to learn from it.

    Yes God does not drop an Email or letter from Heaven physically proving that T.b. Joshua is His Prophet but I believe such email have been sent to the hearts and vision of many who wanted to know the truth about T.b. Joshua. Which i seriously believe you need One if you desire!

    And of course The wisemen will surely get out of the gates of Scoan and peform mighty miracles/deliverance/Prophecy etc. To prove you wrong that they are restricted to Scoan arena only.
    Wiseman Harry already left the gates of Scoan for the united states and God worked miraculously even though people like you had to steal His briefcase at the airport. This already proved you wrong!

  19. @Jesse.
    But if you keep hopping and anticipating to see the wisemen on the streets or a shopping mall peforming miracles even when they are not called upon, then I think you are getting it all wrong because even though Jesus walked on street, People ran to Him, shouted at the top of their voices for help. God cannot bless the non-seeker.

    I believe one great difference between the prophets of now, and those of old is the fact that we are now in a fast growing generation in terms of communication/Tecnology and the likes. A prophet does not have to walk on streets bare footed, being stoned or abused by anyone etc. If this gives you worry i’ll advice you take in good fate.

  20. Jesus is alife in our minds we can see how his holy people working all thses miracules like prophert senior TB Joshua it is the hand of God it only need faith to see, because with our ordinary ayes we will not see it or we ignor it, but it from Jesus .

  21. @jesse, i think you have to be extremely careful by the way you address a true prophet of God. God is real, Jesus is real. believe prophet tb joshua as the the true prophet of God and it will be well with you. pls watch your tongue.

  22. @ Nnamdi,

    As a follower of Jesus Christ it is my duty and task to test all spirits, powers, demonic manifestations. I am not deterred by any threats from men like you or anyone who think that it is justified to throw threats at me in the hope I will be cowering in a corner. Nor am I using my tongue here, I am writing here what I carefully pray over, test, investigate, line up to the Word of God. And I bow to no-one else than My Saviour Jesus Christ and the One and Only Almighty God Who has me in His Hand and covers me with His Wings according to all of Psalm 91.

    God bless you for your threats, trying to scaremongering and I pray that you will be shown the Light of God in your spirit and soul for your dark intentions towards me with your words.

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